i have seen charlie gibson, and -- this debate has -- once the table is kind of set by the town hall questioner, there is then time for me to say, hey, wait a second. what about x, y, z? you said this or you said that. you're sort of the -- they launch the discussion, and then the moderator furthers the discussions as you said this and now you say that. that kind of thing. we hope that kind of group effort can pin down both of these men on a variety of issues. >> and watching the last debate, candy, what do you take away with that in terms of how both of these candidates reacted to jim? is there anything that you learned from it or that you saw that you'll take into the next one? >> you know, the interesting thing to me is that everybody was talking about jim when it was over, and i paid no attention to him simply because i'm sitting there writing down where i saw holes in their arguments thinking, oh, this would be good, oh, this would be a good follow-up, oh, what happened here? that kind of thing. i wasn't as sort of tuned in. i was in the debate hall, so that's, as you know, kind